b228 tid (candy is required for red-bar, red-bar is required for go fast) (need 1 less in ID balls since we no longer use them to catch the main) Surfboard not too troublesome to get later, we did it before after all Old strat was money before gio, should still be doable Only needed for Surge, could quickwarp after Erika instead (Doable, but needs cleaning up) A as player name should work since we don't double distort but BLUE is slightly faster R{72}{72}G-h rival name, {72} can be anything Gifvex swaps pg for -h for gio-blaine warp that teaches dig, surprisingly fast pc may be less worthwhile with less party members, but faster text and no movement means the situation is different to glitchless Current timing slightly in favour of no deposit with Blaine pc need ditto into kadabra manip, managed to get one of Entrpntr's ditto's to work with A+A Squirtle on Blue Old nsc ditto manip works with bag backout, just need consistent extended into kadabra Old nsc ditto works with double bag backout for BLUE+A, but that's hard and loses all the time we save anyway Couldn't get any of the manips to work for BLUE+A as fast as A+A, just go with that for now I guess Don't really remember if playing on Red causes issues right now, used to be a problem for getting self-destruct, does it change connection warps? I think so. Not worth looking into right now, have blue Ditto. marowak kinda works, but either use a bunch of digs, or risk some bonemerangs but get thrash, not sure how helpful that is in an IT world also thrash is a range on arcanine (86% with 15dv), beedrill only has 80 attack in gen 1 worth thrashing over 3 bonemerang though 35% to hit all bonemerangs+thrash range only bottom floor gets rage, so non-viable buy only 1 rope, use it to drop to 3 items flash swap kadabra to slot 1 1 --> 4 flash toss slot 2 2 --> 3 flash 3 --> 2 toss slot 2 1 --> 2 1 --> 2 underflow final key item quantity is old slot 4 quantity +2, getting it to 5 for HoF warp could be good worth delaying some of the tm55 tosses until after get IT? probably. Need 2 tosses to delay until after Blaine gifmenu for gio+blaine warp: toss tm55 a bunch (swap key item for surfboard?) toss 1 from options candy kadabra brightness balls <--> connection max potion ice heal <--> warping step down, turn right masterball x45 <--> TM27 stack Jack 1 right, 1 up scroll down, teach dig swap tm28 with connection j swap QMP with tileset potions flash pokemon battle gio psychic x5 walk up 1, right 1, face down for blaine psychic x3, dig could pc on blaine, but get annoying jingles roughly 20 seconds to toss, swap and use the pc hof is roughly 8 seconds per poke, so blaine pc not worth it here, Can i find a blaine to sabrina to koga menu? hopefully (unless gif beats me to it) actually current route does a regular warp between koga and sabrina might be better to try gio pc+blaine warp+sabrina warp in one menu? Will probably want to swap JACK to inventory on Sabrina menu if doing same koga strat Everything past Koga should work the same as long as I get early money surfboard Might be worth letting Gifvex look for stuff though, that gio warp is amazing Praise Gifvex, 2 options for Blaine-Sabrina Dig strat: Before Gio, replace last swap with: Swap tileset with JACK in connections Toss all of item below Toss slot 2 once After Blaine: Dig out Go to PC, deposit squirtle and Ditto Toss slot 2 5 times Swap QMP for CANCEL Swap QMP below for north connection Swap pokeball x7 for warping swap Ice heal for MH04 Walk up 5? tiles Swap safari ball for Pokedex Walk up, fight Sabrina Leave Connection strat: Before Gio, replace last swap with: toss 7 from warping swap tileset with QMP in connections swap TM50 with JACK, toss 3 toss all of item below toss slot 2 6 times After Blaine: Swap inventory item with CANCEL Swap Sabrina item with Connection j Do a funny walk Fight Sabrina Connection strat is 1 sec faster, close enough that it depends how it affects later menus Koga Erika works the same, warps you directly above Erika, fine as long as we quickwarp to Surge May want to swap Sabrina item and erika item, since we get an extra textbox on every pokemon after changing TID Could also put HoF into TID, and get Erika from money (Sabrina doesn't work with money) Or just toss 61 from j item for Sabrina, but that might be slower Surge Quickwarp: Need 92 quantity, closest I can find is the 111 tm50s from earlier Can get a 91 during Sabrina warp, so close. Tossing to 92 before Gio is fine for Sabrina warp, but not Erika sadly Does mean can toss up to 22 from the TMs without timeloss though Also need to toss 3 from JACK, and get a high value into tileset. Ideally would do as much of this setup as possible before Gio, but requires things to align for both Sabrina and Erika warps Current strat: (After Koga) Swap Erika item to HM04 Swap it to Brightness Swap it to connection Walk up Toss 3 from JACK Swap with tm50 Toss all but 1 from Ultra ball toss 19 from TM50 swap with connection j swap connection j with tileset toss 4 from warping Fight Erika Step up Fight Surge Walk down to cerulean Really wish Erika would work with TM50 x92, but cannot walk up after the fight :( Tossing the ultraballs saves a tile of movement on Blaine and Sabrina, but loses a tile on Erika Also need to find a new tm50 toss that works (toss 4 works up to Erika, cannot walk up after) (toss 6 works up to Erika, can only walk up 1 tile after) (toss 16-17 work on erika, but very slow, not worth) (toss 20-21 might work on erika without the ball toss) They do, better for Sabrina? No, the exit is blocked Swapping JACK and TM50 early also seems to fail How long does a toss take? currently lose 7 tiles of movement on Sabrina, can save 5 tiles by tossing 6 at Gio, 14 before erika warp, then 2 to set Surgewarp Toss seems to take ~1.6 seconds, around 6 tiles of movement Working TM50 tosses for Blaine-Erika: 3 (7 tiles lost) 6 (2 tiles lost) (LUURURDDDRRRDDDR) (Can walk 1 tile up after Erika) 7 (0 tiles lost) (can walk up 2 tiles after Erika) (doesn't work, click item on Blaine menu) Toss 3 seems like only value that saves a toss, nothing saves enough steps to be worth a toss HoF from money: Buy 2 ropes, toss 6 after Blaine, swap out after Koga (Also need to buy 2 potions, so can toss. Haven't checked for click items yet) Could buy 1 rope and a burn heal instead if need only 1 rope Erika from Money: Need 0x69 (105) before Gio, or 0x72 (114) after Blaine to get it after Koga Need 0x83 (131) before Gio to get it after Blaine None of these look too likely unfortunately Surge from Money: Impossible directly, 0x60 is closest possible Not possible with current HoF money, ignore for now Dig from Blaine: Swapping away the JACK used for surge quickwarp isn't ideal No value for the potion stack lets you move up 3 tiles after Erika Tossing 20 TM50s works, same as before, as does tossing 3 How to leave after Surge though? Not seeing this saving time even if I get it to work Adds an extra swap at minimum, I think this is slower :( Gio PC: Weird jingle plays even on Gio PC, annoying Not sure if better than Blaine PC, assumed Gio PC didn't have that, must be consequence of new glitch Very bad menu after Gio, since it seems we can't do the tileset swap before changing maps Or maybe I messed up there strat: toss slot 2 once after getting underflow After Jacking fight Gio After fight, toss slot 2 6 times Swap QMP for CANCEL Swap TM27 with TM37, toss 14 Deposit Teach dig, swap to north connection Walk up 1 right 1 Swap TM50 for JACK, toss 3 Swap QMP for tileset toss all but 7 from warping Swap connection for Sabrina item This feels slower than Blaine PC, or at least very similar Therefore not worth it, stupid jingle Player name, A or BLUE? Naming time? 80 frames is a number i have in my head, no idea how accurate 70-80 according to Gifvex, so BLUE is faster How many times does player name print? 2 in intro 1 in oak starter talk 1 in starter manip 1 in rival pre-battle 2 at end of rival fight 1 from rival post-battle 1 getting parcel 6 in pokedex chat 1 getting antidote 2 at end of weedle fight 1 from ditto catch 1 from kadabra catch 20 total, so should be ~20 frames faster to go with BLUE Pre-manip route used A though, so maybe not correct Need to recheck for Ditto yoloballs now, yay Couldn't find any that idn't just lose all the timesave, good for now I guess Squirtle manip needs doing, don't have one on Blue with 1 character player name However, it may be worthwhile to just take the longer player name and use an existing fast manip, e.g. 5 char: blue_pal_gfskip_hop0_title0(S)_cont(A+A) (base cost: 0) [154] DVs 1024 > IGT: 32-35 & 38-41 & 43-46 blue_pal(ab)_gfskip_hop1_title0(S)_fsback(A+B)_fsback(A+B)_cont(S+A) (base cost: 327) [ 23] DVs 1024 > IGT: 4-13 Compared to this 1 char manip (on red), the top one actually saves time red_pal_gfskip_hop0_title0(S)_fsback(A+B)_fsback(S+B)_fsback(A+B)_cont(S+A) (base cost: 294) [53] DVs 1024 > IGT: 44-1 Red vs Blue: Different preset names Different manips, unknown which is currently faster Different "gym" layout for sabrina, surge, and brock warps Therefore different TM50 tosses (toss 3 no longer works, for example) Red menus: toss 7 tm50 for Blaine should work (saves all Sabrina movement too, but has a turn frame) (RUUUDRRDDRRDDD) Then toss 15 before warping to erika nope, click item on Blaine toss 20 works up to Sabrina (UUUDRRRDDDDRRD) then toss 2 on Erika No click item, just our good friend 9f Brock-HoF quickwarp idea: Step left 1 Swap []F[] to warping Swap Great ball with HM04 Swap glitch item to north connection, toss 18 Walk up 2 Swap North connection with warping, then tileset Swap ????? with []G[] Swap potion with HM05, toss 6 Walk left 2, fight brock After fight walk 2 up Adds 2 swaps Saves a toss, 10 steps and a warp Seems faster by a couple of seconds, neat But also doable for old route, so not an advantage for kadabeedrill HoF from TID idea: Saves boosted exp textboxes on Erika, Surge and Misty (8 total) Rival name: ~~~s-hR (~ is any character) Aaas-hR should work? Aajs-hR technically optimal I think Swap 1st rival name into money after Blaine Swap it out (and use it) after Koga Get 76 from TID, a little awkward, can't swap directly to north connection Could swap it to warping, but that just loses all the time saved doing the quickwarp Can't get this to work sadly, post-misty menu is just too busy as is Put d6 in TID, swap warping to TID (Must be that order unfortunately) Can't see anything better without redoing the whole menu 20 inputs for this rival name, 18 for the old one, but not all inputs are equal (I think the new one might actually be faster with tas inputs) Rival name appears 17 times, so lose 17 more frames Save 4 scrolls on Gio menu 6 extra scrolls on Blaine, and an extra swap, but save a toss Save a swap on Koga Save 8 textboxes on Erika/Surge/Misty Lose 8 scrolls on the Brock menu Overall save 8 textboxes and a toss. Lose 10 scrolls, 2 rival name inputs, and 17 frames Definitely worth it, time to make another TID manip video I guess. The menus do still work