after venu comes in CURRENT (7 turns, 1 thunder ... 8/0 with x spec+sw+sw arcanine) - x atk - x atk - dp (ohko) - dp (ohko) - sw (ohko) - thunder (70%) - sw (2hko) PROPOSED (6 turns, 2 thunders ... 7/1 with sw+sw arcanine) - dp (60%) - agility - x spec - dp (2hko) - thunder (ohko) - sw (ohko) - thunder (ohko) PROS - usually save a turn - save at least $650 - less arcanine trolling - less damage - venusaur range with bad attack is less dangerous CONS - activate venusaur sitrus - one more SE text box - thunder pp - bad sp. atk might need to go to +2 (and still hit 2 thunders)